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Monday, August 07, 2006

"Fusion Catholicism"

I'm opening my work mail this morning and there is a note from PR letting me know that this particular arch-conservative news service (who shall remain nameless because I refuse to give them any free publicity) has run an unflattering article about the Charismatic and Youth Conferences.

Since I won't say who it is, I can't quote them, techincally, (which I may re-think if this continues to get under my skin) but let's just say that it appears to them that there is only one way to worship God: Their way.

I am fine if folks prefer traditional music and worship. But the beauty of the Church is all the different ways we CAN worship God-even within the context of liturgy, yes! This particular article found it difficult to believe that such a bastion of orthodoxy would permist such rhythmic drum pounding, electric guitars and *gasp* electric piano. They made fun of speaking in tongues, resting in the Spirit, peoples hands outstretched towards heaven. The writer insisted on proclaiming certain legitimate practices "Protestant". It was just all too much for this interloper.

All I have to say is: Get a hobby. One that doesn't involve creating and deepening divisions within the Church. Lord knows we have enough enemies on the outside we don't need to fight amongst ourselves.


Blogger Dennis said...

I have to say that the thing you're complaining about is soooo common! I even hear it sometimes from fellow seminarians. Yes, let's be orthodox. Yes, let's follow the rubrics of the liturgy as they are written! Yes, the do-it-yourself-mass is ended, go in peace. But if one more smug 20-something theocon tells me the organ is the only thing God wants to hear in church, I think I'll pop.

3:19 AM  
Blogger DilexitPrior said...

Yes, let's be orthodox. Yes, let's follow the rubrics of the liturgy as they are written! Yes, the do-it-yourself-mass is ended, go in peace.

I agree fully as well.

As the dictum goes: "In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, charity."

Obviously lets follow the rubrics and avoid any liturgical abuses but that being said. . . let's not get our panties in a bunch because there's praise and worship music going on.

I personally come from a more "traditional" parish (though not Tridentine or Latin Mass) yet I have no problem with a more charismatic Mass so long as the rubrics are followed (but I'd expect the same from any Mass).

I've had some really interesting discussions because I've got friends at extremes on both sides. My friends who attend Tridentine Mass have a problem with my Praise and Worship music and my friends who attend more charismatic parishes have a problem with my Gregorian Chant music. You can't win. ;-)

As one priest (who himself tends to be more "Traditionalist") said to me "People can go to Mass in Latin for the wrong reasons. Many people go because they like the music. People can go to a LifeTeen Mass for the wrong reasons. Many people go because they like the music. If we're not going to encounter Christ in the Eucharist, then we're going for the wrong reasons, regardless of whether it's a Latin Mass or a LifeTeen Mass."

Thank-you. That's all.

Peace! :-D

2:19 AM  
Blogger Muriel said...

i think you are referring to Amy Welborn's current post "Breathe" It is a good reading including the comments that follow. but you missed its point altogether. there is no such a thing as worship style. There is worship and there are outward expressions of it. And drums are just not it when it comes to worshipping the Crucified Lamb in the Mass. Equating feelings and emotions with worship is a charismatic novelty and in the context of the mass spells liturgical abuse. Sexualizing worship is always blasphemy. Proper reverence at Mass is well explained in the following article:

1:39 PM  
Blogger TCYM Lounge said...

I wasn't referring to Amy.

Why do you get to say that "Drums just aren't it..."? YOU may not like it, but that doesn't make it inherently wrong. There is lots of wiggle room-even with the liturgy.

One can have reverence and drums. One can express-through emotions-what is going on in their heart. Do you really think that Jesus didn't get emotional over us?? Would a husband emotionless say to his wife "I love you"? Is not Jesus our husband? Do we not receive him into us? Is this not something to get wildly eccstatic about?

I'm willing to say that people will get "wildly eccstatic" in different ways. You may smile fondly in a quiet manner. I want to shout it out to everyone! Ok, I just get a big goofy smile on my face and raise my hands in praise instead of shouting it out at Mass-except when the music starts.

Our Lady's Warriors do not make doctrine. It is not blasphemous to express such sublime joy in a bodily manner. Our bodies are not evil. THIS would be mannechean (spelling? someone help). Our bodies were created. Created by God. They are good. They are meant to give praise and glory to God.

8:08 PM  
Blogger TCYM Lounge said...

and muriel, I'm in no mood to start reminding you that this is no place to troll your ideas on the Charismatic Renewal. It's legit.

8:14 PM  
Blogger Muriel said...

As far as the CCR being “legit”, so were the crusades and the burning of heretics at one time. But being legit did not make either of those things right.

When you post your thoughts on a public site and provide unrestricted opportunity for response, it is a given that not everyone will be in agreement with them. I am not a troll dear. But don’t worry; I will not post here again.

10:19 PM  
Blogger TCYM Lounge said...

the crusades and burning of heretics wasn't supported by doctrine, scripture and tradition. The Charismatic Renewal is. To compare the to is like comparing twinkies to steaks.

It is a recognized movement within the Church as our Holy Father recognized this past summer. As I have shared with you, several Pontiffs, bishops, the Preacher to the Papal Household and numerous theologians affirm it's legitimacy. Scripture backs it up.

And while this is a public site it is my site. You have come here before and given uneducated statements about the Charismatic Renewal and THAT is what drives me nuts. It appears you come here to debunk a legitmate movement in the Church. Come any time, but at least be willing to acknowledge what our Church teaches.

It might not be for you, but it is for the Church.

10:38 AM  
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7:33 PM  

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