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Wednesday, September 13, 2006

Speaking of 9/11

This is an interesting article.

Still, some youth say their elders – especially those in the news media – place too much emphasis on Sept. 11.
Ben Losaw, 23, of Lenox Dale, Mass., is tired of hearing politicians, commentators, even terrorists tell him how he should feel about the day."I just wish they'd give up and let my generation live our own lives," he said. "The hippies really defined their life, although we have to have terrorists define ours."


Love 'em, but this is how a 23 year old thinks. Place to much emphasis? I'd have to say that some of the kids quoted in the article don't really understand the impact, no, the significance of this event. Terrorists want to kill us. They hate us. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with the war, the cold hard fact is that they want us dead. And THEY will be the ones dealing with this reality.

10 Comments:

Blogger Nick said...

True that we will be the ones dealing with these political situations. However, I'm a 25-year old Catholic youth minister and I agree with the statment from the article, however, I also agree that 9/11 is an important event that happened in our history.

Here's my mindset for what it's worth:

Today, I do not just want to have political messages thrown at me. Everything is becoming more social and the consumer is the one who is pulling the content and the ideas, which is completely different than how any marketing or message has been distributed in recent years.

To me, my mind is made up. Going on television to promote a political agenda does nothing for me. What does that particular person's website say about their position on the non-negotiables and other issues of the day? That's the way I'll be reading and perceiving their political platform.

I agree that 9/11 mattered a whole bunch. I remember being in college when it happened; of all places, my Ethics class. The event matters, however, I also think that a number of people have used it too much as a political platform as of late. It's a tragedy that happened to America, not something that a politican should use to promote their agenda.

6:42 PM  
Anonymous Rhett Smith said...

Hello. My name is Rhett Smith and I'm the college pastor of a group at Bel Air Presbyterian Church in Los Angeles, primarily working with students from UCLA, USC, LMU, etc. And I am doing some informal research, trying to locate some college students involved in Catholic ministries, or interns in Catholic college ministries. This can be on campus, or off-campus ministry. But what I am hoping to do is to find a blogger or two that fit these descriptions. I am currently in the process of getting ready to launch a college ministry website that is ecumencial in nature, and I am wanting to link up with Catholic college students or interns, who blog.

Do you have any suggestions? Or know anyone who fits this description? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Rhett Smith

ps Found your site over at St. Paul's

1:14 PM  
Blogger TCYM Lounge said...

nick
I know 9/11 has been used for politiking, particularly as we are trying to figure out what the heck to do about it. But what annoyed me about some sentiments is a lack of realizing, like I said, they want us DEAD. They hate us, they loathe us. Ironically the very freedom they hate they also use, provided to them by the very men and women in uniform they hope to kill.

I just wouldn't want that lost in any of the political message or agenda driven websites and shows.

4:46 PM  
Blogger TCYM Lounge said...

rhett, you've come to the right place.

Give me a day or two and I'll post your request. I'm up to my eye balls right now.!

4:47 PM  
Blogger TCYM Lounge said...

rhett-st pauls? which one?

4:48 PM  
Blogger Nick said...

I definitely agree with your point in your comment! It is important to realize that terrorists are going to the freedom that we have in this country to carry out attacks. I don't want to lose that perspective.

Let's hope and pray that people can remember that, as the political season begins to heat up again.

Peace.

5:57 PM  
Anonymous religion of pieces said...

Regarding the Regensburg Address, I believe that Pope Benedict has been trying to warn us.

Here are twenty facts about Islam that every infidel should know. (And which the Pope probably already knows, see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1553225/posts )

Islam ...

1) Is a mind-control and information-control cult founded by a murderer, torturer, brigand, rapist and pedophile called Mohammed. The mind-control and information-control aspects require that all criticism be silenced.

2) Is Mohammed's personality cult. Has no foundations other than Mo's murderous rantings (Koran and Hadith). The Koran consists of two conflicting parts - Meccan and Medinan (peaceful and violent respectively). The Medinan stuff supersedes ('abrogates') the Meccan stuff. Muslims act Medinan, but quote Meccan verses to the gullible infidels.

3) Claims to worship the same God as Christians and Jews, but in fact worships Allah - a demonic channelling through Mohammed's psychopathic ego. The Death Cult mixes garbled versions of Christian and Jewish scriptures with pagan practices such as moon and meteorite-worship, and cut-throat blood sacrifice of animals and non-believers.

4) Has no rational, philosophical nor theological basis, and the whole belief-system is contradicted by science, philosophy, commonsense, human decency and internal inconsistency.

5) Cannot withstand rational criticism. Can only spread and maintain itself by ignorance, illiteracy, war, terrorism, and intimidation. Islam has bloody borders and cannot co-exist peacefully with other belief systems. Winston Churchill said that Islam in a man is as dangerous as hydrophobia (rabies) in a dog.

6) Has a superstitious dread of images of pigs, crosses, Buddhas, Saint George (and his flag) and of course Motoons.

7) Regards Islamic women as semihuman. Wife-beating, incest and child abuse (including mufa’khathat or 'thighing' - the ritual abuse of infants) are encouraged.

8) Regards all unbelievers (Kaffirs, Kuffar, Kufrs, Kafirs) as ritually unclean subhumans to be killed, subjugated, enslaved, exploited or parasitised. Kafirs are described by the Arabic word 'najis' - literally 'filth'. That's why Muslim hatred of Kafirs is intrinsic to their 'religion'. A Kafir doesn't need to DO anything to offend a Muslim, his very existence is enough of an affront.

9) The ethical system applies only to Muslims. Allah encourages rape, pillage, extortion and enslavement of non-Muslims. Morality does not extend beyond the global gang (ummah). Muslim ethics are the ethics of the Mafia.

10) Allah's followers are motivated by hatred, greed and lust. There is no love, mercy or compassion. Allah is vindictive, unpredictable, capricious and devious - "Allah leads astray whom he pleases".

11) The only religion NOT founded on The Golden Rule. Morality is based on Mohammed's example. If Mohammed did it then it's OK for all Muslims. Hence the encouragement of rape, pillage, subjugation and murder of non-believers and the institutionalised pedophilia prevalent throughout Muslim society (justified by Mohammed's activities with Ayesha, his child sex-slave - see and listen to http://islamcomicbook.com/lyrics1.htm).

12) All human relations are defined by Dominance/Subjugation. Muslims have schizoid inferiority/superiority complexes. (A well-balanced Muslim is one with a chip on each shoulder). They respect strength but despise compromise as weakness. Appeasement invites more aggression. The only political system which has been strong enough to subjugate Islam is Stalinism.

13) Polygamy ensures alpha-males get extra women, leading to a shortage of women for the betas. Beta-males must either jerk off (a sin leading to hell), or form dog-packs and rape or capture kafir women as booty in a razzia, or else self-destruct in the presence of infidels then they can screw 72 mythical virgins in Allah's bordello in the sky (see and listen to http://islamcomicbook.com/lyrics3.htm). Beta-males are often encouraged by their relatives to become suicide bombers because of the belief that such murderous 'martyrs' will be able to intercede with Allah to take 70 of their relatives to paradise with them.

14) Lying and deception of infidels (taqiyya) is encouraged. This may take many forms, including outright lies, feigned moderation, and condemnation of terrorist attacks to the Kaffir while rejoicing with fellow Muslims. All Muslims need to regard themselves as victims of some group of Kafirs so they can harbor grudges against them and against Kafirs in general. Individuals may appear law-abiding and reasonable, but they are part of a totalitarian movement, and must be considered potential killers who can flip in an instant (SJS -'Sudden Jihad Syndrome').

15) Muslims are forbidden to befriend Kaffirs except for purposes of deceit or where conversion may be possible.

16) The Koran is Allah's final word and cannot be changed or challenged. To do so is punishable by death. Consequently, the Death Cult can never change or be reformed. The instructions to murder and rape infidels are just as valid now as the day they were written. Since Islam cannot be modernised, the Muslims are attempting to Islamise modernity. This requires spreading Islam in the West and simultaneously preventing any criticism of the cult by intimidation and PC legislation to curtail freedom of expression.

17) Treaties and agreements with Kaffirs are made to be broken (Hudna). The word of a Muslim to a Kafir counts for nothing in the eyes of Allah. Allah is The Father Of Lies.

18) The world is divided between Dar-al-Islam and Dar-al-Harb (the domain of war, the Kufr lands). Muslims living in Dar-al-Harb must work to disrupt their host nations until these can be brought into Dar-al-Islam.

19) Muslims have no obligation to their host nations and in fact are encouraged to parasitise them. Welfare fraud, identity theft, forgery etc are endemic in Western Muslim populations, and serious crime against Kaffirs is regarded as normal and justified. Extortion rackets against Kafirs are mandated by the Koran ('jizya' is the Arabic term for 'protection money' payable by Jews and Christians to Muslims).

20) The attack on the host nation isn't just against its religion and economy, but is aimed at its very cultural identity. Islam is a complete system, including a culture, which Muslims regard as superior (despite all evidence to the contrary) to other cultures. Muslims are therefore required to destroy the symbols of 'Jahiliya' (sometimes sp. Jahiliyya) - non-Muslim culture. In the East this has included destruction of Hindu temples and Christian churches and replacement with mosques, and destruction of Buddhist artwork and universities and replacement with heaps of rubble. This process of cultural replacement is now beginning in the West..

8:20 PM  
Blogger Tim said...

wow, your 20 facts on Islam are pretty offensive. My understanding is that the Christian God (our Father) and Allah are one and the same. And I know muslims who are very kind and loving, so you're item 10 is way off base. If you're a Christian, where's the love of Christ in what you posted?

1:14 AM  
Blogger Benjamin said...

Funny to see people discussing a quote from me online in a religous blog. The reasoning behind that comment I made was geared more toward the social effects of 9/11 not the actual events of 9/11 as the article was talking about the social effects of 9/11 on us "20-somethings". The terrorists want death, yes. As fear is their ally and only through our fear of death do they have power. Yet why in a religous blog does death take precedence over life? In my stint in practicing religion the main point was life over death, love over hate, love thy neighbor, not hate thy neighbor. Sometimes if all we are thinking about is our fears, than we seem to forget what is most important in our lives, our religions, and our neighborhood's lives and dreams. Life, Love, Liberty, Freedom.

What the author of this blog is seeming to bent on is the sole fact that terrorists want us dead. That is fear, and isn't fear of the devil? If you worship fear, don't you worship the devil? I quite agree in fact that 9/11 was a horrible event and I watched what was said on TV stunned.

Think about the important things here. Worship Death, or Worship Life. Worship Friends, or worship foes? Think about the good people who died in the 9/11 terrorist attacks not about the bad people who are more likely associated with them. Pray for life rather than death. I hope I am clear now that I have more space to write in than a photo caption allows.

9:57 PM  
Blogger TCYM Lounge said...

Hi Benjamin,
Glad you found your way here!

What I was "bent" on was something you may or may not have intended: the article said "some say their elders...place too much emphasis on Sept 11".

I think we all battle fear in our lives. Living as a Catholic with all of the sacraments and prayers and intercessions of the saints-yes, I choose life over death, love over hate, love of neighbor (albeit imperfectly).

Religion doesn't free us from these realities. Sin and Satan are real and affect us all in sometiems tragic ways. What religion can give us is the ability to deal with it and choose to believe in God's grace to deal with are sufferings and pray against the evil that enters our world.

I guess what bothered me was what came across as a flip attitude about 9/11. Real people died. Real fear gripped our nation. We are left to deal with the fact that while we can pray against evil, people can still choose evil. It changed our whole world view and if it didn't then-man, that's just not reality.

People can choose an evil act or they can choose, by the grace of God, a good act. Hopefully we-as a nation, but also individucally-will all choose the grace of a good act.

9:16 AM  

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